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	<title>Comments on: Mark Ramm, friend and exemplar</title>
	<link>http://www.yepthatsme.com/2008/01/14/mark-ramm-friend-and-exemplar/</link>
	<description>the craft of software development, free/open source software advocacy, and the rest of life</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barry Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.yepthatsme.com/2008/01/14/mark-ramm-friend-and-exemplar/#comment-34093</link>
		<author>Barry Hawkins</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sound advice, Dave, I agree.  I have to say as a long-time Pragmatic Programmer fan I was a bit shaken up to see so much about you in there.  Thanks for taking the time to comment; it was only moments after I published the post!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound advice, Dave, I agree.  I have to say as a long-time Pragmatic Programmer fan I was a bit shaken up to see so much about you in there.  Thanks for taking the time to comment; it was only moments after I published the post!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.yepthatsme.com/2008/01/14/mark-ramm-friend-and-exemplar/#comment-34092</link>
		<author>Dave Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, if the comments Zed makes are true, then you'd be wise to avoid the people he mentions.

The problem is, though, how can you verify what he says?

The common wisdom seems to be that when someone does something like Zed does, the people on the receiving end should ignore it publicly, because to do otherwise is to pour gas on a fire. And, by and large, that's what everyone mentioned in the rant seems to have done. I think it's fair to say that most people would disagree (strongly) with many of the things he states as facts (although I'll stipulate that I am indeed fat, and am not indeed Sammy Sosa), but also feel that starting some kind of public "he said, I said" kind of thing would just drag things down more.

So, this leaves you needing to make a value judgement, and it can really only be based on reputations. You need to judge likelihoods, and need to look at history.

But I do ask you to take the time to make that judgement, and not to fall prey to the "there must be some truth in there" mindset. 


Dave Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, if the comments Zed makes are true, then you&#8217;d be wise to avoid the people he mentions.</p>
<p>The problem is, though, how can you verify what he says?</p>
<p>The common wisdom seems to be that when someone does something like Zed does, the people on the receiving end should ignore it publicly, because to do otherwise is to pour gas on a fire. And, by and large, that&#8217;s what everyone mentioned in the rant seems to have done. I think it&#8217;s fair to say that most people would disagree (strongly) with many of the things he states as facts (although I&#8217;ll stipulate that I am indeed fat, and am not indeed Sammy Sosa), but also feel that starting some kind of public &#8220;he said, I said&#8221; kind of thing would just drag things down more.</p>
<p>So, this leaves you needing to make a value judgement, and it can really only be based on reputations. You need to judge likelihoods, and need to look at history.</p>
<p>But I do ask you to take the time to make that judgement, and not to fall prey to the &#8220;there must be some truth in there&#8221; mindset. </p>
<p>Dave Thomas</p>
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